Episode 2: “ECSTATIC RITES” feat. jennifer walton *PREVIEW*

And they're like surrounded by popcorn. And so we just kind of kept moving and like someone went up to offer them water like a few times and they didn't respond. And then kind of like halfway through they like came to and like someone offered them water again. And they just screamed like the top of their lungs. I want a soda! Do you think it's good Is there sort of like a taste like at what point is it too? Not good I think you're not leaving the house Well, I have no idea what this is. Yeah, yeah. We're 50-50 on Gooning. Gooning is when you're like, you're both, you have the crippling combination of, I guess like autism, horniness, and sort of like tech fixation. Yeah, people make like full kind of gaming subs just for Gooning. With multiple screens of porn. Oh, nice. Yeah Do you want to elaborate on What is some other stuff you know about Halo 3 I'm looking at Master Chief Helmer right now, which is like all that proper to mind. Master Chief. Elaborate. Big guy. Green. Elaborate. Man behind the mask. Yeah. He's called John. I need like a take though. Good. Good man. The army is good, yeah. Oh, wow. It's very far. Are you like a big gamer? Used to be.

Like, now I'll play like a game a year. What's the game of choice this year? Pikmin. At the moment. Loving it. What that is. What is Pikmin? What that is. I'm not doing that. Is it like, it's called Pikmin? Min. Say no more. It's the Nintendo game with the, you have like... Little armies of aliens that are different colors that follow you around. And you're a guy called Captain Olimar? Yeah. It's like an RTS and it looks like it's children, but it's so fucking hard. Which means that if you get really angry at it, it's really humiliating. Because anyone who looks at the screen just thinks you're a baby. Because it's just like... Little guys running around. I feel like... What was the... The Super Monkey Ball? That was the same. I'm fucking terrible at that game. Yeah, I suck at it, but... It always feels like you're gonna be girth every time you're going with like... But again, it's the child-friendly graphics. It makes you think that you got it, but like, by fuck you don't. I feel like that's all PS2, right? I got used to get grounded like all the time as like a... Okay, if we're not talking about FIFA 12, FIFA 13, FIFA 14, FIFA 15, missing with FIFA 16, FIFA 17, then it has no worth. Is there artistic credit? Is there something redeemable to be derived from the FIFA football series, do you think? My band has a song in one of them. Are you serious? Yeah. Which FIFA? What song? The last one, Cry A Lot. Hurt Me. Is that the name of the game? Yeah. Do you ever cry a lot or something? Because it's so hard. What the heck? How does the song go? Can you give us like a little... No way. Is it crazy? It's pop music for edgy people. Pop music for edgy people. So like... What does that activate in your mind, Rob? Simran. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Shout out Simran. The 1975. Yeah. The 1975. I actually don't think the music's that bad. No, they have one great song. I think it's another thing, like, I don't know. People want to be mad. The music's fine. It's just, like, easier to get really angry, I guess. We use, like, an edgeboard in kind of, like, a boring way.

It's pretty annoying but having the music's pretty good. I feel like this is the problem He's making like really like nice middle-of-the-road like fairly interesting pop music So then like I feel like he's so nervous about having like younger fans He feels like he needs to alienate them by being like really edgy when he's probably just like a nice dude You probably like loves Gogglebox. What's Gogglebox? It's a British TV program where people watch TV That sounds really stupid. It's like YouTube reacts for boomers Everything okay, man. Yeah, it's fine. You're giving big Jake energy. Big Jake energy? We're about beef. I guess, like, inter-podcast-o-podcast-o. We gotta start. You gotta get it going. We gotta go for Apple Music headquarters. I want to, like, beef with someone really vulnerable and weak. Um... You can't beef. She's actually not that vulnerable. I think she'd have you. Yeah, well, the night is young. You just hear, like, footsteps charging. I'll square up, I'll square up something furious. We definitely need to bleep out her name. Yeah, yeah, we will, we will. That's getting, that's getting moved. It needs, like, an alias. What's your password? Uh, K-O-O-L-A-S-S. Yeah. Do not bleep us. Let's get the fuck in. How are we doing on battery? I think we're looking good. Oh, yeah, you're fine. This is a really good podcast. Yeah. It's fine. You're warming up. 72%. Jennifer, do you remember Dick and Dom in the bungalow? Of course I remember Dick and Dom in the bungalow. That shit was so fucking weird. So true. Your thoughts? I saw a tweet the other day that they've been drum and bass DJs now for longer than they were ever like children's TV presenters. I have such vivid memories of the episode where like... they make children wear like really oversized suits and recite a speech from the godfather while they place like dead fish in the suit and you know when you're like watching children's tv and even as like an eight-year-old this is and but i feel like giving them a platform to do that is fantastic

License payer funded as well. Exactly. License payer funded. So the BBC is funded by people paying for a TV license. That's the beauty of the Blair government. Iraq, Dick and Dom in the bungalow. You got it all. Do you pay taxes? Are you partly responsible for this atrocity? Yeah, I'm fully. Well, I hope respectively we're still paying off with my taxes. Okay. The reparations are coming from our taxes. Yeah, from a base. All right. This is kind of the shit chain part, I feel. Well, there's more poo-poo to come. I was actually, it's funny you mentioned Simran. Horse. Because I was hanging out with him yesterday, and I asked him for a lot of, like, kind of, like, deep cut, like, 2000s English, like, cultural tidbits. Is that where that came from? That kind of, like, passed me by. He actually said the same thing as you, where he was, like, even as a kid, he kind of came to the conclusion that this show was shit. Which is like weird and the one thing he cited was a particular episode where they were cream-pying kids in the sense that they were literally throwing cream pies at children Duff fuck I have it in my notes the word Duffa I feel like that happened, like, every episode. I feel like that was a consistent thing, yeah. That was, like, cream pie. What happened to, like, slime and cream pie? Getting gunched. And gunched. Like, you don't see that anymore. And I feel like ASMR and, like, slime content is so big. What content? Huh? What content? ASMR. ASMR and what was the other thing? Slime. Oh, slime content, right. Yeah, like, I assume everyone wanted to get gunched. Is this related to gooning? So I went to as a child I went to this like Christian summer camp thing I was I didn't know what's it called? The one I did was called Summer Madness It was run by this like born-again Baptist Church who kind of ran the sort of village part of Watford that I live in And they used to gunge the Reverend at the end of every day fucking hit but he was having an affair so And then it turned out that is a fucking great every day

I feel like at the end of every day, you gunged a senior member of the parish. That's so sick. It was good times. Again, Tony Blair. You still have the faith. Or did that knock it out of me? Not that faith. Not that faith. Well, no, because all these people within this church were having affairs. Jesus. And it was all within this really tiny little bit of Watford that I live in. And all the people who were involved in the church were fucking around. Jeez Louise, with each other? Yeah. Were they crossing the denominations? Yeah, it was all within the church. Because that's who you hung out with and then burned. For the Methodists living with Catholics. No, no, no, no, no, no. It wasn't inter-denominational at all. No, no. It was all, it was like straight. That would be so cool. Baptist on Baptist action. Oh, God. Baptist back shots. So... That's who we're beefing is with the Baptist. No, I couldn't... Do you think Presbyterians throw stroke? Jen? Any thoughts? None. So what have you been up to, Jen? But enough about none. What have you been up to? Being off work for a couple months. Huh? Just fucking around. Having a good time. Honestly, not much. This is the highlight. This is the highlight of my two months off. I feel like there's no context for anyone in the world. Who are you? I am Jennifer Walton. I make music and DJ. I also do a thing called Cry A Lot with Sarah from KKB. And then I write music for film and produce for other people. Bits and bobs, but all music stuff. I work at NTS as well as a producer. Music. KKB, Kara Kara Bonito, NTS, Nuts to Soup. Yeah, doxxed. So, what's your salary? Oh, no, I'm not going to stop beeping. Pass. We've been up to MK. Back from Oz. Back from Oz. Back from Oz, y'all. How was? It was epic sauce. I'm literally drenched and dripping in epic sauce right now. We can tell. I know, it's pungent. Sorry about that. It's fucking strong. It's a clammy day. I'm gunched to the brim.

I'm gung to the gills over here. Australia was a movie. What's like an Australian? Australia was a Russell Crowe featuring movie. I was Russell Crowe over there. It was fire. Without getting into any specifics. I was Russell. Do a specific, man. I DJed music. He was getting a shout. Gang. Gangs get in the shot if you're Australian. I see you Respect people kind of like clown on Australia a lot They're calling it kind of the case up to the to borrow vernacular that I would never use an everyday Conversation, but they're calling it kind of cucked, but I never got that sense None of the people that I was the people on the internet I was talking to sus1er the music guy. Do you know sus1er, Jen? Also, I'll show you I'll show you at some point in life imagine like a guy who makes good music Yeah He kept he had this like recurring I stayed at his house in in Melbourne and he had this recurring bit about I don't know who told him this but he kept talking about like how it you could theoretically Split a dog in half by grabbing it by its hind legs and just sort of like ripping it apparently that's kind of like a life hack it really disturbed me but i like he was so persistent with it i couldn't help but like enjoy it he really he was really fixated on that idea i'm just like ripping a tongue in half And this is why you should sub to the Patreon to fund a dog for testing. Which is why I arrived at the conclusion in Australia, not cucked. I don't think it's cucked to do that to. A dachswund. Oh, no, that's the worst one as well. They're so long. They're long. They're long. They got those long, splittable legs. If you had to, hypothetically, if you had to rip a dog in half. What breed's going for?

Am I doing this on the possibility that I could do it? Preference. What if I can do it on any dog, then I guess like a wolfhound, because that would be crazy if they're so big. They're just big-ass dogs? Oh yeah, they're like the biggest dog. What sound do you think they would make? That sounds accurate. Okay, well, that's actually on the bonus content. We're gonna get Jen to rip. Only the audio of Jen ripping the target. That and the photo I sent you. And the photo. Top tier sub. Oh my god. Excellent photo. I think really engorged. I mean, I'm cherishing. Like I said, this is a cherished image. So it's not sus1er, sus1er. Oh, why did I say sus1er? No, it's sus1er. I was saying sousier, kind of French style for a while, but yeah, it's sus1er. Go shout out Felix. Hey Felix. So Jennifer Walton from? Sunderland. How was that? Bad, but not good. Yeah, there was like nothing at all. I normally just say I'm from Newcastle because there's more cultural things happening there and people know where it is. Lubber Fiend. Lubber Fiend Sick, that's new. Before then, like what? Cobalt Studios. Opal Tapes. Opal Tapes, which I only found out was from there because when I was in uni, I ordered a t-shirt from them and the return address was Newcastle. And I'd already left at that point. Was it a good t-shirt? No. Because of what was printed on it? It was a long sleeve and on the back it said Black Opal in static, which is great, but on the front it just had like a goat. I Think that's what they got known for. Yeah, I think they were you know, they were really doing bits across the spectrum, okay Patricia quite possibly I feel like

I can't remember any names of who assigned to them, but... Uh, Metrist? Did Metrist do stuff on the garbage? Maybe I'm making that up. I thought there was one Metrist thing. Could be. Um... Is there a Helm release on there? It's that vibe. Kill me now. Actually, I remember listening to Helm and I remember liking Helm. I didn't mean that. I'm sorry. Helm's great, yeah. Olympic Met is so good. That was a good time. That was on Pan or something? Yeah. Add it. peak yeah yeah yeah it's burning bright oh god i was such a stan as well yeah for real i got like the you know the one pan t-shirt which one oh yeah i would like the logo whatever like the white logo banger i have the nts one which is like wait no i don't have the panel i have the endless one and i've searched the pan one ever since but no signs it's not hitting grails you were kind of shitting on pan earlier like off pod you were going in that's a lie it was actually kind of it was kind of ruthless What did I say? You were like... And furthermore... I'm paraphrasing. And I'll stand by it all. Is there a reason they call... I heard something about them calling Sunderland Guntherland, because there's a lot of Gunthers. Is that true? No. No? No, I wish it was. How many Gunthers do you know from Sunderland? 12. Is that standard? I don't believe you. I think you're exaggerating. I think you're lying. You were kind of shitting on Gunther's Loki as well earlier. What did I say about Gunther? Yeah, exactly. And I'll stand by it. You don't have like... I'm still sort of getting to grips with the... Accent landscape, but you don't have the like I know what Geordie accent is and yours is not that So it's multiple things I hated being from the north when I was there So I think I intentionally tried not to have an accent, but I also played an ungodly amount of a fox live Like quite a formative age with Americans So I assume that has somehow gone towards it. I've ended up with like similar to like an international school accent, but it's just because I played

Online games. You sound like E40. Who's E40? The rapper. Do you have any, like, particularly sort of, like, formative, like, Xbox Live experiences? Did you ever, like, did you have, were you, like, trolling on that? Were you being annoying? No, I was just trying really hard to be good at games. I was probably, like, I got clowned on a lot for being a child, which is understandable. There's a game called Condemned where the online was so bad that people would just run around facing upwards because your character model hinged on its spine. So you'd run around a 90 degree angle and did that a lot. That sounds good. Yeah, it was a good time for video games. Do you think you were groomed anyway? Online on Xbox Live? Probably, but I think it's gone well for my development. Yeah? I'm sure. I was deprived of gaming a lot as a child, and I think I missed out on a lot of formative grooming. I think that would have stoked my ego. I imagine how bad you'd be if you had been groomed. You know? I don't think so. I think I would have worked out for the best. Yeah, for sure. What's the best game? You can answer first. I've already told you. Of the myriad FIFAs. By the way, it's not the myriad of. I see this mistake a lot. Maybe plethora of. Okay. But the myriad FIFAs. I'm going to say FIFA 13. What's on that one? Football. Visceral. Very visceral. I really know it's indistinguishable whose mic that comes from. So I can blame anyone else but me. No, I got something brewing right now. Don't worry about that. I don't remember what the... I do remember that particularly, probably like FIFA 02 or like 03 maybe, where it was like, you fuck with gorillas? Oh, yeah, yeah. I was thinking of the animal for like way too long. Oh, there's an animal? For fuck's sake. Oh, those are the Ooga Booga ones, right? Yeah. Okay, yeah, yeah. The soundtrack is just like a forest skate. Yeah. Those animals are fire.

Um, do you like them? Do you like the band gorillas? Yeah, I do it. They were they were a formative band, but I feel like they were for like every child You see like a cartoon album cover and you're like sick. Yep. Yes. Smart play. Yeah, it definitely worked out. What's your like Demon Days or the self title? I Had both. I feel like I definitely got into Demon Days more, but I think I'd probably listen to self title now I mean, yeah, I've talked about it a bit because with Francis, I'm like, I think it's really sick that they did it because I feel like it got kids into like fairly decent music just because they had cartoons. Have you considered adopting sort of like a Simeon persona? No, but I haven't considered adopting a Simeon. Kind of like Michael Jackson vibes. I think it would work well for my PR. If in all my DJ picks for MOT, I had a little monkey. And then if you, but also just think of the, like, okay, like low key, like the clout, if you were to get, let's say half your, your face eaten off, maybe like one eyeball, like ideally have like one functional eyeball, but I think that might go some way towards boosting the bookings like a little bit. It's like a face start. It's an eye patch. Get yourself, get your face eviscerated. Maybe I should just lie and do that anyway. Just start wearing an eye patch. It's a good look, strong look. Yeah. Or a cane. I mean, anything that a pirate has. If you start fucking with it. Wooden leg. Wooden leg. Oh, actually, the hook. A wooden butt. Of course. Just speaking like a pirate at all times. I think that's where it goes too far. You reckon? Yeah, it's appropriative. For fuck's sake, but having a fake hook hand. Yeah. And trying to backspin. Exactly. Sliding off. You're like clawing. You've got a claw into the deck. I think it's fine. Queuing, playing, you're fine, but no more wheels. But that's fine. They're problematic. So is this the Patreon part? I don't know. We've kind of gone off-piste a bit. So after Sunderland, there was... I went to Harvard University Uni, which shocked so much. What's that? It's just like, it's a uni outside London. I thought it was closer. Oh, I said Harvard Uni. No. But no, and then moved to London after that, which is nice.

Yeah. And now I'm here. How were your grades? Really good. What did you study? I studied music for film and games, which was a kind of like, I thought it was going to be way more technical than it was. The course is really easy and fucking stupid, but I left it too late to drop out. So I tried to change to Goldsmiths Classic, but I couldn't. And then, yeah, I did well. Okay, give us some numbers. Honours? Yeah. Shit. And I wasn't even living there for half of the course. Okay, well, so you dipped and went to London? Yeah, and then I would do a two-hour commute back each way, and there weren't electric scooters at the time, so I had to buy a push scooter, because it was the only mode of transport I could take onto a train, because I couldn't afford a bike. I actually think I remember reading a resident advisor comment, like, years ago, before they shut down the commenting. Someone, like, roasting you for pushing, for driving a push scooter. This is like really ruthless. Some incel, no doubt. That's before I'd met you. Yeah, that's how you knew. It kind of preceded me of how much I love to push school. My warm, beefy right leg, like, coming down the street. It was a good time. Yeah, that's why you had to get it amputated and get the peg leg. The peg leg, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And it's a good job that's the studio's carpet, because it would be a nightmare to edit out all the clip clops. So why was the... Why was Hertfordshire so bad? I'm a big fan. Because there was fucking nothing to do at all. Where is it? Hatfields? It was in Hatfield, and like, there is fully nothing in Hatfield apart from a shopping mall. Galleria? Shouts out. Galleria, big shouts. So, spent a lot of time in Waterstones, but... Has it got a Peter's Express? You guys say what? Waterstones? I'd say Waterstones. Everyone else does but me, I think, is from a Sandlin thing. Waterstones. Interesting. I don't think it has a Peter's Express. I don't know. It has a Nandoz of Bella Italia. Oh, there you go. Full disclosure, I've never been. Because I've got the Harlequin near me, so I'm sorted. What's the Harlequin? Same thing, but in Watford. Oh, really? Yeah. I've never heard of that. It goes in. Damn. It's huge. On my way back from End of the Road, there was some, like...

Teenagers from London who like oh, yeah, bro. What are we gonna eat when we get to Salisbury, bro? And they're like wagas. No wagas too expensive. Pizza Express. Oh, because nothing bad's ever happened at the Salisbury Pizza Express. Is it the Salisbury one? Yeah, that's the one where the guy got poisoned. Or that's the one where Prince Andrew was supposedly when he was noncing. Oh, was it the Salisbury one? I can't remember if it's both or one. Oh my god, imagine the blue plaques outside of that one. Yeah. Is there a reason they called it Bomba Clark for jar? I've never. Well, you could call it Bum... There is a bit that works, but it would be about Bedfordshire. Because Luton, which is the hub of Bedfordshire, has a big Caribbean population. So there's something there. I know you're trying a bit, but... I had absolutely nothing outside of that. I was hoping Jen would launch into Batois or something. That's not gonna happen. You're doing it so well. You were like Carnival was sick. So many wines. I've never been. Oh, really? That's fantastic. I stood next to Dizzy Rascal this year. Really? Yeah. He's really come back after being cancelled. Yeah. What happened to him? He got found guilty of, like, pushing his wife down the stairs. Yeah. How many stairs? So you can come back from DV with your wife. Wait, from DV? Yeah. What's... Oh, oh. So you moved to London rather than Hertfordshire. Yeah. I had friends at Goldsmiths. Same. That's why I moved to London. It's a good inn and then never left the southeast or never really left New Cross. Goldsmiths is so my one sort of again like as a relative app like it's just kind of like a punchline is my main expression. Rightfully so I would say. I mean like because my ex-girlfriend at the time was there. And so, and all my friends went there, so I kind of was, like, in the studios and around all the art things. Which is a great experience to experience, like, Goldsmiths without actually going and being able to dip at any time. But, like, especially on fine art, it's so, like, cutthroat in, like, such a weird way. And it's, I mean, like, when I first moved, I was so confused because it's, like, everyone. I mean, it's such a classic now where, like, dresses, like, really broke. When they're, like, dad's own, like, multi-million conglomerate companies.

It's fucked. I mean, it's just like rich kids not wanting to be rich. I thought that happens at any art uni in London. Yeah, definitely. I just didn't have the radar for it. No, it's quite stressful for the first couple of years of being around it. And then eventually you realise that their lives are worse than yours. Yeah, I think so. But you speak for yourself. At least I got swag. Yeah. What's that? I thought you were scared to go there. No, I'll go in. I'll go in and swag. You wouldn't be on this pod if not for the swag. That's just a hygiene standard. Say more about this goldsmith's cutthroatism. The cutthroatry. Well, I mean, everyone was just so mean to each other and it was so cliquey. But it was all through weird art practices. You're a wanker. What's that? Sorry, just stuff I'd say probably. No, it was a good one. Go on. No, it's just like every like private view or something, people would just be like being crazy mean to each other for like no reason. I don't know. I don't really have a radar for it, but I feel like it was just like the same at any art uni in London. I don't know. This is a bad take. I got nothing to give. I wanted some specific instances of some... I don't know. I think that... do i want to say it of some cunt being a cunt to another cunt um i don't know i mean like there was just everyone would like forget your name on purpose oh like all the time that's so good though and everyone would always everyone had like a quirk about them there's someone who always had a little basket with them That person deserved to be roasted though. I feel like it, but they were like top of the packing fucking order, you know? Just an Easter bunny ass, but avant-garde. They aren't handing out eggs though. They're forgetting the names thing is so good though. That's sly. That's like so cutting. It's so annoying. It drove me insane. Have you been exposed to that behavior? Oh yeah, it was normally a me.

Are you forgetting people's names? No, no, people don't forget my name. Right, right, right. That's actually a good call. Which is Jennifer Walton. Sick. Wait, you just... Wait, sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. I'm just paranoid about this shit, people. That's not your mic. Your mic's the other one. Okay. That's Jen's mic. You're all good, man. You're all good. Okay, we're good. I checked it. Apologies, apologies, apologies. You were saying something about a cunt? Basket-wearing cunt. Jesus, that's a bit strong. That's not her role. Wait, I had another epic-ass question. So, at what point did you join KKB in this process? Is that when you moved to London? So, yeah, I moved to London. I had some friends in a band called 404, and then who were from Eastbourne, they knew JB from the band, and then through that got introduced. to gus and they'd like come over to like listen to music we're just kind of sharing songs with each other and as they were leaving they were like oh like do you know anyone who like plays keyboards or like kind of looking for some for someone i was like oh no but like i play drums so if you need a drummer and then that's literally it um and from there like yeah practice for like a year straight in depth of music complex which has like complete blue walls So I still, like, dream about it. But yeah, that's the origin story, is nepotism. As all the best ones are. Always, yeah. And was that a trip? KKB touring. Just in general, yeah. I mean, yeah, literally. If it came out of nowhere, that would fuck me up. I mean, funny, because it was, like, it was fully, fully out of nowhere. And, like, for the full time, it was, like, so silly. I mean, like... for the first practice we had it was like i met sarah for the first time and then they like asked me to drum over flamingo it's just like bizarro because i'd met them like twice beforehand um i mean it was super fun but like was really bizarre i mean like within like a year after that we were like going around the globe and stuff which was cute but i feel like it's almost the best way to do it because having like no previous like actual i mean like i play drums and bands and stuff but like no actual like

experience touring to doing, like, the most insane thing, like, is really funny because you end up in, like, insane environments with, like, no reference point for it. What kind of insane environments? Coachella. Vegas. I don't know. Just, like, well, I've never been to the States before either. It's, like, shooing a gun. Which States? The United. Yeah, shooing a gun, doing edibles, like, all the usual American items. Well, you smoked weed. Whoa, we should have led with that. And having several panic attacks. Nothing like a good old American panic attack. Was it speaking of the gun or the edibles or both? Just the edibles. The gun calmed my nerves. Was it edible? I wish. I did try to have a bite to check if it was real gold. Wait, so what was your Coachella experience like? it was sick but it was just so so bizarre because i mean like everything i'd heard about it being like an influencer first was like more true than i could have imagined i kind of thought that was going to be overblown but like even when we were playing in the first row there was like at least like six indian or like uh like native american headdresses in the front row and it's just like gnarly i know like all of it was that And I guess, like, how much of it is, like, visual. But it was stupid fun, like, to be in the middle of this, like, I know this bit where I got, like, a Twitter alert that, like, Childish Gambino was playing, and I'm just, like, watching it. But it's just weird being in, like, the center of this, like, cultural moment for, like, a tiny bit of time without any reason to be there. Did you tap up Childish Gambino? I did, yeah. Did you actually? He was, uh, surprisingly nice. No, don't say that. Do you fuck with his tunes? I don't think I've ever really, like, listened to this. Oh, cop out. Cop out alert. Do you? I think he's a nice guy. Surprisingly down to earth. Yeah, surprisingly down to earth. Any other... What was the most, like, intimate, like, celeb encounter you had at Coachella? The most, like, elaborate. Like, the least superficial, I guess.

I feel like the thing is that they were all pretty superficial. I mean, I saw a member of Blackpink holding a cookie in her mouth and washing her hands. That was cool. But everyone is on guard. I saw one of the members of One Direction leaving the AAA to go into GA, surrounded by security. Hang on, what's AAA and GA? All Access and... general accent, like general admission. Right, okay. So go into, like, the public section, but, like, being surrounded by all his security. I don't know, it was super weird. It was like he wanted to be, like, seen out and about. Which one was it? I could tell you if I saw a picture, but I don't know the names. So it wasn't Harry Styles, it wasn't Zayn. It wasn't Harry, it wasn't Niall, it wasn't Zayn. It wasn't Liam. I think it might be Liam. Is there another one? Or is it just four guys? Okay, fine. Bill. Bill Direction. That's why no one remembered it. How was your show? It was really good. I mean, like, we had kind of crazy technicals. Like, I had no monitors, because it's two weekends, right? So for the first weekend, I had, like, no monitors at all, and the monitor engineer got fired halfway through our show. And, like, left sight. Was he doing, like, embezzling? I wish, but no, he just sucked at his job. Oh, he was shit. What's his name? Put him on blast. I wish I knew. But then yeah, they were good. We're gonna throw that in the description Fuck you I mean like it's definitely one of the most insane things I've ever done Were you like playing in like a ten or some was it like open air? Yeah, I was in a ten I don't know what the stage was or anything but it was like surprisingly packed because it was like one of the only like kind of cool and Connie places. Yeah, what was the crowd soon? Cultural appropriation. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So who didn't have their guard up? If everyone backstage super guarded was that there must have been the one person who just didn't get the memo. I don't even know. I don't think I even met anyone that crazy famous. Yeah. Everyone's so nice. It's disgusting. I think. And I'll say it.

Let's take her down. Can I find a reason to not like... No. So where else did you hit in the States, apart from Coachella, that was equally as insane? Albuquerque is fucked. Is that deep south? No, it's New Mexico. Okay. Is that breaking bad territory? Is that literally breaking bad territory? Yeah, I think it is. I don't know, I feel like when you're touring, like, you definitely start to get a vibe for, like, I don't know, a place's, like, energy or just general vibe. And when we all arrived in, like, Albuquerque, there was this feeling of, like, there's something fucking insane going on in the air. And we all, like, felt really weird. And then as we were, like, leaving the venue, there was a homeless person, like, lying on the floor, like, frozen. You know when you like despise something and you're like frozen. And they're like surrounded by popcorn. And so we just kind of kept moving and like someone went up to offer them water like a few times and they didn't respond. And then kind of like halfway through they like came to and like someone offered them. water again and they just screamed like the top of their lungs i want a soda and then like kept screaming it but like also still their body was still kind of frozen so they're just on the floor surrounded by popcorn screaming i want a soda as we're just trying to get out like shit into the van and then that night we ended up having like a house party in a kitchen that was like and you can really fit one person in it but we're all just like essentially moshping There's something in the city that, like, makes you go a bit crazy. You think that guy's a KKB head? I hope so. I hope he just, like, kind of went a bit too hard too soon and lost his snacks. Poor guy, man. Poor Albuquerque. Is, like, Las Vegas as... Is it, like, depraved? Um... In, like, a specific way. I fucking loved it, but I... It's in the same part of me that, like, loves Disneyland and loves, like, themed environments, right? Like,

Las Vegas is made with the same things in mind of, like, to get you to gamble. It just feels so, like, hyper real. What the hell? So if you're walking around, like, with, like, the MO of, like, I'm not going to gamble. I'm just going to get toasted and, like, drunk and just watch people, like, I don't know, fuck their lives up. It's very, very, very fun. Like, where else can you get, like, go to a dispensary and then get, like, picked up at a Hummer to go to, like, a shoeing range and then also play, like, an Avatar 3D gambling machine? and then go, like, to an insane restaurant. What was the shooting range like? The shooting range is sick. Yeah, I can imagine. I've got a real... He's got a revolver on him right now, actually. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe I'll try one next year. I mean, I recommend it. It is bizarre, like, because I think in the UK, right, you can only kind of, like, vaguely conceptualize how they work, and I think it still freaks me out how loud guns are. Go on. I mean, they're just, like, it's unbelievable, and it gets kind of dark, but as soon as I was doing it, you know, and you're like... Can you imagine a shooting somewhere of how fucking horrible the sound is? Shivers down the spine. Hey, this is an anti-shooting podcast. Let that be known. Let this be the line in the sand. Yeah, I'm glad to. We do not endorse murder. Nor mass murder. Take a firm stand that the UK should not legalize condemnation. We're pro manslaughter though. Because we all fuck up. Yeah. And explicitly pro drunk driving. Yep. Absolutely. Absolutely. But only for women. Of course. Of course. Yeah. We're feminists. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What's the highest caliber of gun that you fired? I only fired one and it was like nine. What is a caliber? I don't actually know. Is it the width of a bullet? I'll find out next year. I actually have no idea. Can you own a gun in the UK? Yeah, but you have to have a reason to use it. My wife. It's like if you're a farmer, you can have a gun.

Grouse shooting. That kind of stuff. Fuck grouse. There's an anti-grouse podcast as well. Someone near my stepdad's old house got arrested for money laundering. And she had like a sawn-off shotgun in her possession. Which is super duper illegal. What kind of relationship do you think the money laundering and the shotgun had? Very linked. But I don't know how. You know, it doesn't seem like... Where was your stepdad's house? It was in... It's called Stainsdrop. Okay, and where's that? North Yorkshire. Right, okay. It's like right out there, like farm country. It was the only house. It was like the groundskeeper's house. So you couldn't, it was just fields. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So like three other houses like in a mile or something. I don't know what kind of white collar crime you could commit out there. It's all good farm jobs. Tax evasion. It is an island. We are an island. It is an island. I am an island. No, you're not, man. You're a peninsula at most. What is a peninsula? I think... What's your landmass knowledge like, Jen? None. I think an archipelago is... I'm not even going to attempt to butcher this. I don't know how that translates. That's what I think it might be. Deadass? Deadass. I don't know. We'll put this also in. This is part of the Patreon. Fact-checking is Patreon only. All I know is you're not an island, Rob. You have a lot of people who love you, who care about you, and who want to see you stay on this earth. So just don't do it. What was it gonna do just you know what I'm talking about? We love you I loved Rob you are so loved you have so many redeeming characteristics Docs me hard there You are so long DJ You produce a tag That's what I was angling for Fuck yeah. Giving my artist name my own name was a mistake. I'll say it now. Change your name. Yeah, I mean. Well, yeah, so this is what I want to do, but like, because I've thought about it so much, but you can't. No, no, change your government name. Yeah, no, exactly. I do plan on doing this, but at the same time, like, you can't.

You can, like, go from, like, an alias to your real name. But to go from your real name to an alias, it's just really weird. No, but keep your... Wait, maybe I'm getting confused here, but keep your artist name as Jennifer Wharton. Yeah. And change your government name to something else. Change your government name to organ tapes. Pan recordings. Yeah. Bill Kooligas. Yeah, no, I'm, like, I'm sure you're going to do this. What are the contenders? I can't say. This will be on the Patreon, so only a few moneyed heads will know. Well, no, because this is so boring, but it's because my mum has, it's just my mum's, like, name. Jennifer Walton is also your mum's name. No, because that's my dad's. Dad's name is Jennifer? Yes. Actually? No. Oh. It's Nigel. Is it Nigel? Yeah. Called it. Jesus Christ. So you're not just in KKB. You're also... I'm not in KKB. I was just a drummer, by the way. Start again. Just to set the record. Start again. Just gave her an out, man. She was about to like... Cut that. Cut that. You were not just the drummer temporarily in KKB. Yes. Clang in those pants. You were a producer on your own, right? Yes. How's it going? Good. Is it music? Huh? Movie. Movie producer. Okay. Okay. You're sort of like the... What movies did you produce? Heat. Not seen it. [redacted address]. The Shining. I think this is... I can... Dude, no. This... This don't sit right with me. You got me, you got me. No, no, no. No, but yeah, I produce music sometimes. Can you give us like a little acapella anything? Um... No. Maybe the bass sound from Flash On. Just like a little overdub of some of the some of the tunes. Yeah, but yeah, of course, of course I Can do that I can do that I've got way better. I've got so good editing This is one song you have that has kind of a harpsichord sound Yeah, renaissance That one's so sick that one's so again

sick yeah i mean that's one of those ones that when i was writing out i was like this is it felt like fun and special and like definitely what i want to like move into more because i think that was just challenge i know when i write i write very explicitly without anything in mind because i write so much for other people that i feel like when i'm like opening able to i'm just like pissing about when it's for myself i'm never like having an idea in mind but i think with that one there was definitely like a vibe of loads of I don't know I guess it's still around but it felt way more around at the time of like girls on Instagram dressing in like very long dresses like taking flash on pictures like very long flowing hair it's just like very like I don't know the right like upper class New York but also vaguely medieval vibe and I was like what does that sound like because I think there is something really strange about this like techno medieval stuff that's going on I mean it's still happening now I guess I guess it's like a reversion to like history or something I feel like it's just gone more into like folk music. But yeah, anyway, that's what that is about. I was going to say all of that. Thank you for very much. I don't know what any of those... I don't know what that was. That passed me by, whatever that was. It was a real scene. I don't know, it'd be like flash on pictures of like girls like having dinner parties and like eating oysters and it's all like candle lit and they're all in like old like Edwardian dresses or something. But it was, like, the height of cool for a while. I don't know. It's, like, really physical. Was this in, like, Dime Square, like, New York type shit? Kind of before it was, like, talked about as, like, a thing, but definitely the same scene. Like... Not even! Like, it's way more, like, in a city than that. I would say it's kind of, like, what Coquette is now or something, like... Like a C... In a fashion style, right? How do you spell it? Is it Co... C-O-Q-E-T-T-E. There we go. Thank you. But yeah, I don't know, like, yeah, I definitely want to write more stuff like that. And I mean, like, it was a super fun challenge of, like, how the fuck do you, like, mix a harpsichord, which is just, like, a nightmare. Achieve spectacularly. Thank you. It took so long. Yeah, I'm not surprised. It's a banger. I think it was the first two new heroes that I heard. And the rest were just disappointing. No, the rest were good.

That song goes in though is it like how often do you sit down with like a I mean, this is like kind of like a Inside baseball sort of like that question I guess but like how often do you like sit down? at your music station with like a particular sort of Idea that you desperately need to like translate and how much of it is just you sort of like Experimenting and seeing what what sticks honestly never I like really really never like um go in with a preconceived idea it's like so rare that that happens normally it would be like i'll just hear a thing and then like try and like copy that and then see where it leads or i'm just like playing around like so much of my like ableton uses just me just like going for 15 minutes and then quitting and then like seeing what sticks out of those like more like playing around things and yeah like i don't know i definitely think it comes from like working as a producer as well a lot of like when i'm i feel like i'm taking out a lot of that like drive when i'm like producing for other people and like doing what they want to do i never feel like a real strong urge like make a particular thing and for this like album whatever that i want to do like i definitely have the like ideas in mind like stylistically but it's not like i guess it's just all like playing around in the sun kind of like timbre or something then rather than like going in with like a kind of conceptual edge so you're formulating a whole album based on what you did with something like neo-renaissance yeah yeah pretty much i mean like it's mostly there and like half of it's like off cuts from what i've written for other people and then like half it's like newer bits but yeah it's the same idea of like trying to like build in more like acoustic instrumentation paul robinson okay but not in like the same kind of singer-songwire-y space yeah of course the sandbox is it literal i wish But no. No further questions. Cool. So you've got two releases under your name out so far? Or three? I've got two. Yeah, I think it's just two, which is like insane. Considering how much I'm... I'm so bad at releasing music. I think I just get so... Because I have so much and will give so much to other people. And then by the time I'm coming to release stuff, it's more like, oh, I have all this stuff that's just kind of sitting.

that I should probably do something with. Like, it kind of happened with both of the things. I mean, actually, saying that, the All Center one, I pretty much wrote for you guys. But then, like, the noise one before that was just, that was my dissertation. Right, right, right. What was the dissertation? It was on fascism and noise music. Okay, wow. Fascism, what's that again? Uh, so it's when they control the railways. Who's they? Ooh, yeesh, dog whistle march? It's a they, them. Do you ever feel like how, do you ever feel like an urge to, like, or how pressured do you feel by the need to put out music? Do you ever feel like the need to sort of put out music for music's sake? Like how comfortable can you get in molding like a given release? And do you feel like, I guess that's question one. I mean, I feel, to be honest, I feel very chill about it because it's, like, I guess it doesn't seem to anyone else, but there is always, like, random bits and bobs coming out of it, like, a decent enough, like, gap that I don't feel too stressed, like, between remixes and, like, things for the people and then film score stuff. There is always things coming out. So then, like, recently, because, like, I... can't make money or as much money like on my own releases then they just can't be prioritized because i don't have the spare time to then like write so i feel like all the energy i'm putting into like writing for the people kind of like takes up that kind of stream so like it's something i really want to get better at to be able to like have more in my own name or to just even have the time to be able to do it really isn't it kind of sad in the way though the writing for yourself becomes an indulgence yeah i guess so I mean, I do enjoy it as, like, a kind of playground to then, like, actually have fun with it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, like, I've always, I think because I started, like, writing for film, I've always kind of seen it as work and, like, to, like, think about it in those ways just to kind of, like, motivate myself in a different way. Yeah. Like, I definitely have fun with it, but I think I have to, like, think about it as work to, like, keep active. But then, so then, like, a lot of the time I'm, like, I go through quite intense periods of, like, not writing and then, like, writing loads, but I think.

It's a very well-considered approach, though. Like, you sound very at peace with it in a way that I've never been. Right. But, I mean, like, so, I think it's come in time of, like, yeah, doing, like, more commercially things and then, like, also just kind of having this, like, period of the last year of being, like, having to kind of, like, forcefully reconsider, like, the material of my life and how much, like, time I'm working and having to take time out from it. So, like, prioritizing my own life, which does include my own stuff as well. Yeah, yeah. So, it's, like, great to have a studio. which is, like, really fun to, like, actually have a zone to, like, come and work, but then, like... We're recording in Jen's studio for a listener at home. Yeah. But, yeah, I think it's definitely taken time, but I think... I've just been doing it for so long that it's not, like... There isn't the same urgency of, like, that I need... I don't have anything to say, necessarily, you know? But I think that's a... beautiful things i think i often end up in the position of feeling like i should release music for music's sake certainly that's been the case for the last two years sort of edging away from that now i think because i'm starting to go into the position that you're in where i'm writing more for commercial purposes than for myself essentially it's a nice feeling to have but i think i'm also coming from the opposite of you Where when I was a lot younger coming into this it was like that was the thing that was supposed to like almost save me or something like that Yeah, and that attachment is like still there up until it was the thing that's the thing that would define me Writing like good music that was that's like, you know, that's like The most important thing and the like the best thing I could do with my time and now that just kind of isn't isn't so much the case I thought you whispered, is it still rewarding? I think I still feel the same thing. I mean, like, just in different ways. Yeah, I just feel it in different ways, I guess. I think I do still feel like in some way my most valuable output is my writing or something, but it's just like, it will still happen, and I think...

For me, the commercial stuff is just trying to, like, guarantee that I can, like, keep writing forever. I'm not really fussed about what that ends up being. It's just as long as I can, like, play around with it. And, like, don't get me wrong, like, me not releasing is, like, is really frustrating because, like, it definitely holds me back in a certain way in terms of, like, shows or, like, release schedules or, like, just artists, like, narrative-y stuff. Like, I get it. But I think, like, I can hopefully get over that. eventually but i mean it's done fairly well without and i mean that's where it's got weird with like dj stuff because it's like that was never meant to happen like i never ever cared about it until it kind of happened i guess i have two questions one is is djing a rewarding form or format then up to like what is your writing like what's my what is your what is your writing like are you good at spelling Did you mean writing music or writing? Writing music, sorry. Oh, I was going to say. Yeah, no, no, I do not write. DJing I find so rewarding. I fucking love it. Like, it is so, so fun. But that, like, kind of applies only to the actual playing. Like, I don't even go out that much. I do enjoy it, but I'm, like, a relatively sober person. And so I just get tired quickly. wrong podcast for that why can't more clubs serve food that's what i'm saying but um i don't know i i just love doing it i just think because it's so easy to do and anyone can do it that makes it really fun to like kind of play around with i don't know like i don't know it's just really fun to like it's yeah i don't know it's just super satisfying what's the most sort of like unorthodox song you played in the club that had like a sick reception I used to open my set, like first set, with Hatsune Miku covering Rainbow Connection by Kermit the Frog, which was a midi banjo and Hatsune Miku singing Rainbow Connection. And it would go fucking off. People loved it. I can't find it anymore, but yeah, honestly, really good. Do you have the tune? I can find it. I can send it to you. I think it's on YouTube. Please do that.

It's really good. So are you playing a YouTube rip of it? Oh yeah, always. Baller. Okay. You can YouTube rip. I YouTube rip everything. No one cares. No one knows. If I'm playing at 5am, I ain't spending the money on fucking 320s. Sometimes they know. Who's there? Well, me. When you pay to the hug and just pull out the system. Yeah, that's all right. Literally like 90% of the music that I play is just like 128 KVBS. It was so fucking bad. Nah, good times, good times. The swagger is pervasive though. It permeates. So does Berghain's have food? Okay, so it's meant to it's meant to have an ice cream bar, but it was closed when we went It's just fucking annoying Is ice cream bar some kind of like fucked up euphemism for something disgusting? No, that's the other rooms, I think What's that like? How does it describe the smell? Okay, so this is this is I can get really into this because So I was playing Berkheim for CTM What's CTM? What is that? Central? Technology music? Transmedial? Oh, got it wrong. Whoops. It's just a tech festival. It's a music tech festival in Berlin. And it was sick. I was so excited. I was playing Main Room, which made no fucking sense. But I always wanted to go. I was very excited about the vibes. And obviously, because it's being bugged out for this... nerdy music festival it's entirely filled with nerds like everyone is wearing glasses everyone is wearing like a black t-shirt and shorts the mouth breathing alone yeah there is like a sex swing by the bar which everyone is just like sat down in between acts yeah literal or it was like it was a giant swinging platform which was like covered in like kind of like heart Plastic, yeah. But it was just full of people in, like, glasses just sat down, you know, like, this sucks. Like, I wanted to be, I wanted to see, like, have the most disturbing night of my life. You actually want to see... Yeah, I want to see calm. Can you say that? But, I mean, not to, I mean, just be a little bit sensitive. What? Can you under-enunciate that word? No.

It's fine. We got the shot. You can edit it. You can do some real AI trickery. Seems a bit indecent. But okay, so there was like a horde of nerds who were not coming. And you were pissed off. And I was fuming. But no, it was great. I mean, yeah, it was a good night. I don't think I would get in though. Like, I mean, yeah, that was the weirdest thing. I was like, if I ever try and get back in here, they wouldn't let me. Like, I dress like a hippie. It ain't happening. So it was nice to have one in and out. Never have to try again. I played. It's fine. So, I mean, what time did you play? Like two or three, I think. That seems like a good time, a better kind, I would assume. It was good. It was after Lorraine. What day was it? Lorraine James? Yeah. Which was sick. Or maybe before, I can't remember, which is brutal. That's what they all say at Burkharton. Yeah, yeah. Time is upside down. No one knows your name. Time is upside down. It's Hotel California. There we go. There we go. But yeah, no, it was great. People were really down. Wait, so you didn't see anything particularly depraved? Literally nothing. At all. Can you make something up? Well, you went to Nerdhine by the sounds of it. Yeah, I straight up went to Nerdhine. Go on. I'm going to cheers the mic. I think you went on the wrong night. Not a smidge of spunk. The only thing I can say is, okay, so when you go backstage, like into the staff only bit, this must be documented. Bare backstage, sorry. But like what? Bare backstage? Yeah, the better stage. On the stairs, there is this huge print of a woman with her legs open, and you can just see her vagina. And this print is bigger than the walls of the studio. It's fucking huge. It's in between two floors. And so every time you're walking anywhere, you're just confronted with this. And that's the only piece of art in the whole building. Which one is the vagina again? The woman one. Ah, hell. Okay, say less. Say less. Epic, epic sauce.

That sounds like kind of standard though. Kind of like... I mean, it's Berlin, yeah. But I'm from Sundland, you know, I speak easily. I'm a prude. I thought Sundland was kind of horny. Yeah, like bronzed and horny. Probably. No, I wasn't. Bronze like sunny. Bronze like bronzer. Yeah. Like, you know the type that sort of like sorry to use a word but just sort of like particular type of like Love Island slag where they're kind of like They're like dresses like up to their fucking like they're like eyebrows for some reason. Yes. Yeah, they're like accentuating their clothes Yeah Should we do a timeout I need to piss so bad That's the time to call it it's time to call it okay more about clunge uh-huh please tell me that